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Developing New Wineskins
(Preaching Outline – Click HERE for Google Doc Version)
1) Last week I mentioned some of the prophetic voices that have prophesied a mighty move of God in this region connected with the vision of rivers of living water flowing.
a) I have pondered the other prophetic word that God has given very clearly to us as a body about forsaking old wineskins for new wineskins that will hold new wine.
b) I want to look at these prophetic words as connected ideas to be explored so that we become part of a great move of God.
c) Rivers of living water:
i) The Holy Spirit
ii) The woman at the well – what we explored at Life Group on Thursday – when did Jesus give her the living water she asked for?
iii) Rivers of zoe life
iv) The authentic vs. inauthentic – in pursuit of reality and authenticity
v) Luke 12:1 (NKJV) — 1 In the meantime, when an innumerable multitude of people had gathered together, so that they trampled one another, He began to say to His disciples first of all, “Beware of the leaven of the Pharisees, which is hypocrisy.
(1) There are many aspects to explore about the leaven Christ warns us of, but at least look at “First of all.”
vi) Matthew 15:7–9 (NKJV) — 7 Hypocrites! Well did Isaiah prophesy about you, saying: 8 ‘These people draw near to Me with their mouth, And honor Me with their lips, But their heart is far from Me. 9 And in vain they worship Me, Teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.’”
(1) Godly and well-meaning traditions that either miss zoe or quench zoe.
d) I want to explore some scriptures that will help us develop new wineskins.
2) 2 Samuel 7:1–3 (NKJV) — 1 Now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house, and the Lord had given him rest from all his enemies all around, 2 that the king said to Nathan the prophet, “See now, I dwell in a house of cedar, but the ark of God dwells inside tent curtains.” 3 Then Nathan said to the king, “Go, do all that is in your heart, for the Lord is with you.”
a) (Paraphrase God’s response)
b) Did Nathan originally give good advice to David?
c) Approaching scripture with a lens that robs of life.
d) An old wineskin approach.
e) We do not ask questions deep enough to think through what the outcome would be.
f) It leads to the servant who hides his talent in the ground because he has a false vision of the heart of God.
3) Matthew 16:5–12 (NKJV) — 5 Now when His disciples had come to the other side, they had forgotten to take bread. 6 Then Jesus said to them, “Take heed and beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and the Sadducees.” 7 And they reasoned among themselves, saying, “It is because we have taken no bread.” 8 But Jesus, being aware of it, said to them, “O you of little faith, why do you reason among yourselves because you have brought no bread? 9 Do you not yet understand, or remember the five loaves of the five thousand and how many baskets you took up? 10 Nor the seven loaves of the four thousand and how many large baskets you took up? 11 How is it you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning bread?—but to beware of the leaven of the Pharisees and Sadducees.” 12 Then they understood that He did not tell them to beware of the leaven of bread, but of the doctrine of the Pharisees and Sadducees.
a) Does it bother you that this scripture makes the statement about the leaven of Pharisees but does not seem to define it? It begs the question doesn’t it?
b) The story itself is the object lesson – the disciples miss it – Jesus was an awesome teacher!!!
c) Matthew 12:38–40 (NKJV) — 38 Then some of the scribes and Pharisees answered, saying, “Teacher, we want to see a sign from You.” 39 But He answered and said to them, “An evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign, and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah. 40 For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish, so will the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
i) DISCERNING ZOE
4) Could the Jesus Revolution movie be a prophetic word to the church to prepare us to embrace the move of God?
a) Chuck Smith is a model of a man who transitioned from an old wineskin to a new wineskin and experienced the move of God.
i) As a Pharisee, he was sincere about his commitment to Jesus Christ and the church
ii) He was concerned by the direction of the nation
iii) He saw hippies are part of the problem – MISSING THE HEART OF GOD
iv) THAT IS A RECIPE FOR INEFFECTIVENES
v) Is this not where we are at in America today?
b) Janette Smith brings home Lonnie Frisbee
i) A great move of God begins
c) There are many principles to help us embrace and steward a move of God from the movie, but I only want to look at one more.
i) At a certain point it becomes apparent that Lonnie has mixed seed. The leaven of Pharisees would have shut down the move as soon as that was noticed, but Chuck waited until the time of harvest.
5) Developing New Wineskins
a) The ministry of grace
b) John 1:16–18 (NKJV) — 16 And of His fullness we have all received, and grace for grace. 17 For the law was given through Moses, but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. 18 No one has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.
c) 2 Corinthians 3:4–6 (NKJV) — 4 And we have such trust through Christ toward God. 5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves, but our sufficiency is from God, 6 who also made us sufficient as ministers of the new covenant, not of the letter but of the Spirit; for the letter kills, but the Spirit gives life.
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The title of today’s message is developing new wines skins
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Last week I mentioned some of the prophetic voices that have prophesized a mighty move of God in this region
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And many of them were connected with a vision of living water starting to well up and flood
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the area
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I think I think that that is a very powerful
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proof to me because it has been many people even from different churches that I’ve had the privilege to meet and talk to and people within our own church and myself as well God has spoken about a move that he is birthing
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At the same time I’ve also been really intrigued because most this was mostly people within our own body But there’s been a lot of prophetic words for a season and a lot of people at first didn’t even know that people were getting the same word about a transition to from
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old wines skins to new wines skins
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because God is going to
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pour out new wine
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And I think when I think about these two prophetic words I wanna
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approach them as connected ideas
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because God is trying to do something in our
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midst and we’ve had lots of conversations with people about this because I don’t think it’s old versus new when it comes to a temporal measurement Does that make sense I’ve become convinced in my heart And this is what I’ve seen everywhere I’ve been Whenever breakthrough comes it has to do with the spirit in a region being overcome through a
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revelation in God’s word
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And God brings us into a word that brings life and brings
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breakthrough
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in a region
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And I believe that breakthrough is breaking out of old wines skins
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into the Ministry
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of Grace
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I believe that that is going to start
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to transform people’s lives at such a level
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that it we are going to see a move of God
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And I’ve been really intrigued because
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as these
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ideas
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have been sown
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and discussed and talked about and prayed about
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I’ve seen miracles happening
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fast as people have gotten out of the ministry of
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judgmentalism for example into the
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Ministry of Grace It wasn’t just that it changed the culture or touched the life or empowered somebody or delivered somebody God has
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actually confirmed it with miracles hasn’t he Pastor Mike And it’s profound
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and and when you’re like when you’re on the trail and you see I see God moving
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here I see God moving here
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It’s exciting
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So I want to think about this a little bit and then you’re gonna be I think there’s gonna be a lot of messages that are is going
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to explore this in the
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future even last night at men’s group as this started to be discussed it was like the very presence of God came revelation was being given and there was an
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encounter with God that was awesome
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And I think that we’re going it starts to open up scripture in a whole new way and you start to connect dots It’s like when I got to meet Mel and I got
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really excited because what of course
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I’m speaking for Mel and hopefully
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I’m semi
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accurate here But it seems as I was talking one of the passions and anointing and callings on his life has also connected to this very
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word Uh The term he uses
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is fear verse love
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It’s it’s another application or another working out
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of this reality that I’m talking about So
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today you’re gonna go you talk about something nice at the beginning and depends on how time goes We’ll get back to it at the end But why are you talking about Pharisees in the middle But that’s what we’re gonna end up exploring here in the middle
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But before I do that I want to think a little bit about these ideas rivers of living water life springs
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you know we we know when we hear the word rivers of living water the first thing we go to is well that’s the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is the most life giving transformative experience I’ve ever had in my entire life Absolutely
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It is It changes your life forever It takes Christianity from being something very lifeless and powerless of forms that don’t really bring transformation into He’s real he’s alive and he loves me and he’s for me not against me And the very things that had held me down in the past they’re gone
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and you study church history and you see oh my gosh people have talked about this experience many ways but it’s the same experience
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I’ve received power from on high
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But a lot of times the ministry of condemnation the Ministry of Legalism the 11 of Sad and Fares which we’re gonna get to down in this funny journey we’re going on
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It says what he’s saying about the Holy Spirit I believe
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it but I don’t see it
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And now I feel really bad
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and I think things really are bad and I think things are really off
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It’s that spirit of death
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rather than life
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that puts a veil over our eyes
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so that we can’t see where God is moving
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Isn’t that wild
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And a lot of times it’s the traditions of men
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That’s why I said old wines skins isn’t a temporal thing It’s actually a disease worse than COVID ever was
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false expectations Can anything good come from Nazareth
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It’s interesting isn’t
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So rivers of living water the Holy Spirit But
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we were studying and I’m putting a lot of plugs week after week for life groups Right And and I’m having fun if nobody else is I don’t know And you know I’m enjoying it But so that’s why a lot of times when people ask me was it good You better ask somebody else
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There’s never been a meeting I didn’t love Right So
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actually my girls have said things like that to me before Dad You don’t
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count You love everything
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I go yeah that’s a life skill You’ll live a much happier life if you learn to love everything Right But
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besides that rabbit trail we were we’ve
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hey
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we we had a major breakthrough last Thursday at the life group We got through more than one verse Hallelujah
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But we are talking about the women at the Well again for I don’t know how many
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weeks we’ve been doing this
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We are talking about the woman at the well and it’s so interesting because Jesus says to her
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if you ask me I will give you rivers of living water to drink and you’ll never thirst again
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And she says give me that water
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and they’re in
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you know like we don’t
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know Yeah Right Give me that water No Give me that water We don’t
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know
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But we do know He told her if you ask me I’ll give it to you And she asked
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and then the question is well when did when did he give her the living water Oh not until after Pentecost
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No Read the story
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But it’s funny
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he gives a word of knowledge And as we were talking about it last week God gave all this revelation of what operates in a word of knowledge And then Pastor Mike starts sharing a story that fit the pattern of the eyes being opened in a
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in the word of God of how it operates in real life right here in our midst It was awesome wasn’t it Pastor Mike
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But the thinking is that when you take a step back you see that his her encounter with Jesus caused the rivers of living water to flow immediately because she left everything went down into the city spoke a word and the whole city comes back and confesses you are the
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Christ right The
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living water It’s a
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reality that can be seen in the way that it
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impacts the world It’s
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river Another way we could say it is rivers of Zoe
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with Zoe What in the world is Zoe Actually we’re all Christians for a long time We all know what Zoe is But you
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got to admit it sounds a little funny in English doesn’t it Rivers of Zoe Zoe river Well what is it It’s
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life life The
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very a lot of times like they’ll say the technical definition it’s the very life that God has in himself Sure that’s a great definition for it Jesus said whoever believes in Him has eternal life Great
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mansion in heaven When I die No has Zoe The very life that God has in himself The whole we’re talking about the thing that I pastor
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in Mike’s heart So it’s
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wrestling with what is the clean and unclean in the Old Testament It’s it’s the things that aren’t
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natural to the habitation of God The
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reality of God The life of God
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are unclean They’re not sinful
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It’s a message that life
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overcomes death
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Life opens up prison doors Life transforms
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everything right It’s about
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life death and darkness do not exist in the presence of God period
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Rivers of Zoe all who believe have Zoe
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rivers of living water
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of His spirit Is this interesting ideas of ways to wrestle and think about it And we were talking about at the men’s group last night wrestling with these ideas with He who is mature as he who by reason of use has his senses exercised to
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discern good and evil
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And a lot of times we think of that
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Well that’s like good doctrine
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versus bad doctrine true or false Let’s have a good
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argument
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but maybe it’s about their sense is exercised to discern authentic and inauthentic life and death light and darkness liberty and bondage
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You see the difference here
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And that’s what God is starting to do is to train people to discern what has life what brings transformation And it’s the Ministry of Grace the Ministry of the Spirit
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It’s exciting to me
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But the old
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wine skins
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have to be put aside
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But they’re so sneaky and crafty
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because we were talking about It’s really funny and
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you know we were talking about it yesterday and
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I think I I felt short on time so
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I I I was being
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a little more argumentative than I wanted to be Not really But what I meant was Pastor David
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we’re talking about and there’s no because we all know when you’re having a discussion it’s really rude to point out I disagree
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with your answer
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right But I did that to Pastor David
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yesterday Not exactly that rudely but he were reading a passage and he said you know what is it I think that the mature apply the word
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But I had already had this picture in my mind and it’s like I’m not sure I um see it that way Well what do you mean
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They have the same word the mature and the immature have the same word
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They they have the same source the same scriptures You see what I’m saying But the immature see it very differently
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and they’re often very zealous to apply it
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And then Dwayne told an awesome
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story about that That was revel
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was powerful it was powerful wasn’t it
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is because what we’re really talking about here is something far more nuanced We’re talking about a transformation of the way we understand God’s word
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as it’s given to us that starts to change everything and causes rivers of Zoe to flow
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It’s the same word But when the Ministry of Grace when the traditions of men are broken when the old wine skin perception is broken
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rivers of living water start to
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flow and the whole scripture start to come alive in a new way don’t they
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And it’s transformative It’s life giving it opens prison
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doors This is this is exciting to think about isn’t it
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And the and the thing that I wrote down here it’s about the authentic versus the inauthentic It’s about reality in pursuit I put dash in pursuit of
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reality and authenticity
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That’s why we were talking a lot about the white was sepp curse But we again
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we see things often
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so like meanly when
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we we’re talking about people that
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are missing the life in the heart but they want to make it look good on the outside and we’re not meant to judge and criticize We’re meant to let our hearts break
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You know like we you
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know when you want to really
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talk about love
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oh you know we think about well what about the sinner Oh Yeah we gotta love the sinner It’s great to love the sinner and see them come to Christ and your sins are forgiven The hardest thing to to love is the Pharisee
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but Jesus did
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He was wounded in the house of his friends
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but he loved them
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He forgave them
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He loved Judas
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he loved Peter even though Peter would deny him
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He loved Jerusalem
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He loved those that crucified him
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He said father forgive them
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for they know not what they do
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Love those who hate you bless those who curse you
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do good to those who do you evil
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God How do I do these things
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The Ministry of Grace
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and the power of the Holy Spirit
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without it you can’t
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without it you can without Him
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you can’t
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It’s not in our flesh
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It’s not in our strength
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It’s not in our power
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until we receive power from on high
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until we receive grace
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Wow it’s exciting isn’t it It’s exciting
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So now I want but this idea of the authentic versus
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the inauthentic And
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we’re going to explore the wonderful part the Ministry of Grace by starting down the road
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of what is this old wine skin that we need to get rid of
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And I will say the whole body of Christ has been infected with it
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Luke 12 1 In the meantime when an innumerable multitude
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of people
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that’s a pretty cool
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word isn’t it How many people showed
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up I don’t know There’s too many to count
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It can happen
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when an innumerable number of people had gathered so that they trampled one another
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I imagine what the disciples were thinking right
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They trampled one another He began to say to disciples First of all beware of the 11 of the Pharisees
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which is hypocrisy
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interesting isn’t it
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But I always think scripture is such a funny thing because the context actually matters
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There’s life happening right here A great multitude has gathered
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So what comes out of Jesus’s mouth Beware
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of the 11 of the sad and
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which is hypocrisy
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Why would why right after this great multitude is he saying this to his disciples
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I mean it’s an interesting question right
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Because that Levin can never produce this
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That 11 keeps that from happening
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Wow
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where’s the move of God Get the Levi out
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There Really is a lot of aspects to explore about this that Christ warns us of
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There really is because a lot of times we read it and we go OK great What is 11 Hypocrisy Got it moving on
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and we don’t explore it enough to know
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how to get it out
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so that we can have what Jesus
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had there
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Do you see a pattern
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here
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The Samaritan woman at the well
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there it is there
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here it is here with Jesus What So here this passage Jesus says to them sometimes you even miss this little word right there It wasn’t just beware of the
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11 of Pharisees
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which is hypocrisy It was first of all
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beware of the 11 of the Pharisees because the 11 I want to
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bring this this is the normal
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manifestation
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of the kingdom
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but that 11 comes and that doesn’t happen
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Wow interesting stuff Isn’t this
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So I I’m gonna not exhaustively explore it but I want to explore it a little bit So Matthew 15 7 through nine hypocrites
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Well did Isaiah prophesy about you saying these people draw near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips But their heart is far from me and in vain they worship me teaching as doctrines the commandments
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of men
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A lot of times when we read a
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passage like that
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it it it
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seems so
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obnoxious
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that they’re missing Jesus
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that we don’t actually really think
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about what’s actually happening
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We focus on
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certain words
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Isaiah prophesized about you
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They honor me with their lips but their heart is far from me in vain
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They worship me
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See we painted
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under a tradition there’s a tradition of men that we need to be liberated from that often
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that even paints how we read scripture
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So I’ll just take that sentence in vain They worship me
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Now the traditions of men
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that Jesus wants to deliver us from just operated
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what
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in vain The broken heart in vain They worship me
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They are actually intending to worship Him
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Most Pharisees are very sincere
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That’s that’s what we miss They intend to worship
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God They intend to serve God they intend to glorify him they contend they intend to contend for the
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truth
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They’re not all
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the hypocrisy is not always intentional
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being bad
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It’s just a real missing the heart of God
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It’s a missing reality It’s a misunderstanding of scripture It’s a blindness over the ice
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I’m not saying there is hypocrisy that is literally
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really bad wolves and sheeps Colling con man
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But see those are those are often well I don’t know sometimes they can be pretty good
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but shit man No man you’re
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in this just for
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you This is just false like it’s just so obvious but it’s the but that stuff is always away from us
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But what if the level of Pharisees is connected or is connected to traditions of men that are like diseases that we catch and need to grow up from
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and grow out of And what if all of us have it to some level and we need to get it out
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I think it’s more the latter
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And when you so like like
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a person who did something awesome last night was Dwayne
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He shared
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a story
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that was so awesome
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and transparent that very few people would have the courage to share
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But it was this revelation
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of I was seeing scripture wrong and zealous for it and I was applying it and it was just so far wrong
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But when we start to see that in ourselves and when we start to recognize how that operated we realized oh my gosh But I was really sincere
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and I really love the Lord and I really wanted to further his kingdom
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and I had no idea
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It’s some of the things we’ve been talking about like when we demonize liberals that’s the pharisee of that’s 11
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when we demonize people groups When we blame like Adam blamed Eve It’s that
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when we try to motivate people through manipulation and through fear it’s that
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when we try to motivate people through guilt and shame it’s that Len
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but I really just want to help them Yes But it’s that Lovin
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we intend to bring life and we bring death
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It’s that 11 It doesn’t cause the multitudes
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to come
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It cuts off the rivers of living water
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Wow
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Is this interesting
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I wanna read you some more scriptures to to wrestle
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with these ideas Second Samuel 71 through three
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Now now it came to pass when the king was dwelling in his house and the Lord had given him rest from all of his enemies all around that the king said to Nathan the prophet see now I dwell in a house of cedar but the arc of God dwells inside tent curtains
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Then Nathan said to the king go do all that is in your heart
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for the Lord is with you
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and then Nathan is going away and then God speaks to Nathan and said hey Nathan
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what
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And it tells a story did I ever ask for a house Blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah and tell him go back
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and tell David he’s not going to
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build me a house but I’m going to build his house
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Right
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Interesting story isn’t it
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But the question now is when Nathan first gave his advice to David
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was it good advice
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or bad advice
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because God went and
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corrected it afterwards
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Right
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And then Nathan had to
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go back and said sorry David
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I was wrong Don’t do whatever is in your heart God said no
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but I agree with Chuck 100% It was great
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advice
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It was great
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advice what it was totally wrong But the traditions of men would say he didn’t Nathan didn’t inquire from God before he responded to David
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He should have inquired of God before he responded
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And now we learn from him
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an idea that means God can I blow my nose today
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Lord Is it ok If I tie my shoe
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it sounds so devout and holy and righteous and religious But if you actually think about it deeply you realize it’s debilitating
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It’s interesting Isn’t this Roy to think about it because God loves us to know His heart and to know what’s good and to empower us And and so but it even misrepresents the heart of God What do you mean God is funny God could knew what was gonna go down in this conversation He could have said hey Nathan you’re going David wants to meet with you God could have taken this and David wants to meet with you and this is what you’re gonna say but you’re gonna give him this answer No God didn’t do that
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because he’s actually a relational God with a personality and also a sense
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of humor
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And he really loves
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to teach Well
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he’s a great teacher He’s a great father He’s hilarious
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So no he knows this is going down and he’s like oh I’m looking forward
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to this one because I’ve got a present for David
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and I’m going to frame it really well I’ve got plans and a purpose for David and I can’t wait to tell it
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I can’t wait when I get to tell the prophet that I’m going to build David’s house
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right I mean it’s really kind of cool There’s the heart of God how misrepresentative of the heart of God would have been Oh Nathan bad prophet You didn’t inquire of God first
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You see see how this Levi can sneak in and giving
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examples No Nathan
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I you see God is with you
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in the and I can see that the thing that you have in your heart is to glorify God
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So do whatever is in your heart for God is with you It’s
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great advice
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and the good shepherd If it was you know not really what God wants He is able to
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redirect things
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because He’s relational
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You see how subtle of a shift but how easy it could be to get into the level of Pharisees
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seeing the word of God through the lens of grace
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right
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Rather than
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seeing scripture
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through a lens that robs us of life
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that old old
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wines skin interpretation
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would lead to an application that would
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cause people to hide their talents in the ground
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because they misrepresent the heart of God
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I’ll read another one to you This one I really this one cracks me up like really cracks me up It’s like because I was talking to people before the church service about a prophetic dream I had and like oh my gosh I realized a funny part of it was ok Now we’ll hear it
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Isn’t that just not right So like I was a young Christian and I remember we’re going you know heading down um to Pittsburgh and I was sleeping in a car and I had a prophetic dream where I saw Jesus and I I was in the sanctuary that I actually ended up in two days later that I’d never seen before It was wild and God was speaking to me in this stream about Psalm 1 33
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old how good it is when brethren dwell together in unity And it was it was really it was really wild and encounter But I was a young Christian and you know we’re kind of characters you know human beings are human beings And God has a funny sense of humor and I was having this dream but I was in the
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sanctuary and Jesus was in front of me but I was like praying And so my my face wasn’t looking up at him and God he was there and he was
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talking to me and I was like
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I’m in the presence of Jesus This is my opportunity to see his face
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right Like yeah now I see what he really looks like Does he really look like the shot or turn and you know like and I went looked and scared I had
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fear come all over me and I saw all these different
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faces different ethnicities different age different genders all in one
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boom And it’s terrified me And I looked away
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again
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and then I didn’t realize
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he knew my
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rascals to like this is my opportunity to see his
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face
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And that was and I didn’t realize that was part of the object lesson of his teaching on Psalm 1 33
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Isn’t that interesting He’s really good
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like well played So this is another well played
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Matthew 16 5 through 12 Now when his disciples had come to the other side they had forgotten to take bread
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Then Jesus said to them take heed and beware of the 11
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of the Pharisees and sad
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And they reasoned among themselves saying
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it is because we have not taken bread
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But Jesus being aware of it said to them oh ye of little faith Why do you reason among yourselves because you’ve brought no bread Do you not understand Or remember the five loaves of the 5000 And how many baskets you took up Nor the seven loaves or the four of the 4000 And how many large baskets you took up How is it that you do not understand that I did not speak to you concerning
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bread
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but to beware of the Levin of the Pharisees And the
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then they understood that he did not tell them to be that that he did not tell them to beware of the Levin of bread
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but of the doctrine of the Pharisees And sad
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Jesus is really making a point of
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this right
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But this passage is really interesting
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super
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interesting to me
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and scripture does us a lot and God does
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us a lot because he wants us to seek Him
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He wants us to ask the right kind of questions right Got it What’s the purpose of the purpose of this passage to beware of the 11 of the Pharisees and sauces Right Got it What is it It’s the doctrine of the Pharisees and sad right Got it
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Do you have it
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What does that actually mean Right It’s like it doesn’t tell you it doesn’t spell it out at all
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right Got it Moving on to the next wait a minute This seems like this is super important doesn’t it But it tells you beware of the 11 of the Pharisees and sauces Beware of the doctrine of the Pharisees and the sauces But it doesn’t well why don’t you just spell it out for me then
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What is it
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the story the
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the in in in scripture It this is the way teaching happens It takes it from different angles in different ways And eventually it’s like I have my own revelation That’s the way Jesus teaches It’s funny and people would be like like if people get frustrated oh you didn’t lay it out for me so that I can follow it like a robot
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Jesus didn’t
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his teaching frustrated the snot out of people
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Now you’re finally speaking to me plainly Yeah But no because I’m trying to grow you up cause you to think for yourself cause you to ask the right questions I’m like Jesus this is how Jesus did it
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I mean he chose when they’re going in this bowl where they have no bread to drop this one on them
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because he knew how it would play out That’s why I think he’s hilarious He knew this is exactly how it would play out And it was that was actually the teaching
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So one element of the 11 of the Pharisees and the sad is not getting it
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not seeing it not asking good enough questions
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And he was teaching them about that there
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He wasn’t frustrated Oh You have little faith He’s like I’m trying to train you to discern life from death good from evil
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I’m I I’m trying to teach you to ask better questions Jesus just said that to us What does he mean
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Well he’s actually too good He knew
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they didn’t get it And so he was making this the object lesson and only going back and reflecting upon it Part of that is
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missing what’s right in front of your face because you have wrong expectations
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interesting stuff isn’t it
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I’ll give you another example
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Matthew 12 38 through 40 Some of the scribes and Pharisees answered saying teacher we want to see a sign from you
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but he answered and said to them an evil and adulterous generation seeks after a sign and no sign will be given to it except the sign of the prophet Jonah For as Jonah was in was three days and three nights in the belly of the great fish So will the son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth
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This like like I said you gotta really look at scripture
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to realize how funny it is
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Remember the first time we saw this 11
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of the Pharisees there’s a great multitude
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and he says beware of the love and the Pharisees
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Now they’re going over the boat beware of the level of the Pharisees and they weren’t getting it Now
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We’re face to face with the
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Pharisees
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was Jesus lying or telling the truth No So they came
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demanding a sign He says no sign will be given
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to a wicked adulterous generation
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except the sign of Jonah But Jesus
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all you’ve been doing everywhere you have been going right in front of their faces is giving signs The signs are everywhere The signs are literally everywhere The blind see the deaf hear the sick are healed the dead are raised Multitudes are coming
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Devils are being cast out
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Truth is going forward Life is abounding Rivers of living water are everywhere The signs are literally all around them
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And Jesus says no sign will be given to a wicked
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wicked and adulterous generation
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That’s why I said when
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they because we have no bread you’re missing it
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Give us a sign they’re everywhere No sign will be given
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I bet it’s so intriguing too isn’t it Jesus Like
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give us a sign
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And they and he
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said Jesus why wasn’t he Like are you serious
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Like literally his response could have been Are you kidding me
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How do you not see there are signs everywhere They’re all around you but you can’t see having eyes to see yet You do not see having
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ears to hear yet You do not hear
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and yet this is what happens with 11 of the Pharisees here We have expectations of what it should look
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like and it doesn’t meet our expectations
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and God isn’t moving
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God is in prison
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God isn’t doing anything
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and it’s that doctrine that keeps us from entering in
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and participating
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because we can’t see what the Father is doing and join Him
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We can’t celebrate it and overflow and become part of that river of living water
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because we have the traditions of men that Rob us from entering into what God is doing
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Hey this is wild stuff isn’t it
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It’s about discerning right and wrong good from evil life versus death authentic versus inauthentic
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Those Pharisees there were asking Jesus for a sign It’s like
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they couldn’t discern life
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they couldn’t recognize life they couldn’t recognize reality
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and therefore no great multitude could come
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because of the doctrine of Pharisees and sas the 11
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transitioning from an old wines skin to a new wines skin
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It’s not about temporal reality It’s about this le getting out
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so that a move of God can come
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It’s learning to discern good from evil Like I said a lot of times you see a kind of joke but it’s not a joke
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You know the cross of Jesus Christ reconciled you and gentile the greatest racial divide in world history
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The cross has reconciled all people The cross has reconciled all things except for Democrats and Republicans
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They can’t do that
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They’re responsible for ruining the world All those There’s no log in my eye
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and there’s no multitude coming
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there can’t be anything good coming out
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of them They’re ruining everything
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I couldn’t help myself because I really think that this God is trying to birth another move And I think it’s no accident that the Jesus revolution movie came out
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And I think some of these things that I’m trying to get across God
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is speaking and he even spoke it
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through media
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and I think we’ve got to listen
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So I wrote Could the Jesus revolution movie actually be a prophetic word to the church to embrace
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us or to prepare us to embrace the move of God
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So Chuck Smith
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he’s actually a model of a man who transitioned from an old wines skin to the new wines skin
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Do you see that
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I mean it’s really funny too but but that’s why I keep saying this stuff is sincere He was preaching he was fed up with the direction of the nation He was fed up with seeing the sin He was preaching the word of God to an empty congregation
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right
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And then he was like
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I I don’t remember all the actual details but I think he was at home watching the news or something and griping about the hippies
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and his daughter has a conversation with them and he’s crusty as can be
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unless a hip
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unless God Jesus brings a hippie into my
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house Like he was pretty
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not OK with them They’re ruining everything they’re destroying everything all those LGBT Q people all those witches and witches and blah blah blah
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And through a series
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of events he comes home one day minding his own business ready to have a little rest and relaxation after a hard day
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at the church
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and he comes home to find a hippie with his daughter
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but they have a conversation
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and this guy Lonnie
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he has
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the heart of God for the hippies
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It’s like an apostolic anointing for the hippies because he he gets the heart of God for them
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and he starts sharing in ways that brings the opportunity to Chuck Smith that he embraces
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And I just found it so interesting He’s like they
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are seeking God they are seeking truth They are actually rebelling a they are right in their assessment that what they are rebelling against is broken and wrong and messed up
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But they’re seeking the false savior a false Messiah And he saw that because he could see and had a heart of compassion for him and saw them as human beings and not devils
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worthy of God’s grace not worthy maybe just
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objects of God’s mercy and grace and love
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So Chuck Smith opens up to him and
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that one
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fills up his church in no time
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and then they have to fill a they get a tent and he fills up the whole tent immediately
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And there’s a time magazine I mean you watch it It’s awesome but it’s history It’s the way God moved because Chuck Smith transitioned from an old wine skin to a new wine skin
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And there’s so many more things we could teach about this even just from that movie that show these principles Because
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we see at one
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point that Lonnie it starts to become apparent that Lonnie is puffed up with pride
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and it’s all about him
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It was like the parable
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There are weeds growing in the field
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Do you want us to go
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rip them out No Let the weeds and the wheat grow together until the time of harvest
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because you might kill some of the wheat
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And so he doesn’t cut Lonnie off He lets him continue to run because there’s always hope that while running he could God could change his heart while running We don’t know when God’s gonna change a heart We don’t know if they which end they’re going to come out from Because if we’re honest we are all weeds and wheat
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If we are honest we are all mixed bags We were all jars of clay If God had to wait until we were perfect this world would be condemned to hell
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the doctrine of Pharisees and sad You how dare you serve God All you suck
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Yeah nothing’s going to happen
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That’s what I mean It’s the grace
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to know only when
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Ok now it’s no longer loving to let you continue
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because now it’s going to hurt the work of God
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Do you see where I’m going with these things These are deep but they are the applications of scripture of mercy and grace prevailing in the community and wisdom
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You know I love that I mean it’s like in the Lord of the Rings I love that movie
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Oh it would have been better if Bill had killed
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Gollum
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and he’s like
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we can’t see the end from the beginning
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Who are we to make that judgment He says but I have a funny feeling like essentially applies that God exists and that God has a plan
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and he can even go has a part to play
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But we’re so quick to make those judgments
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But the reality is that we have to have grace and mercy and that’s wisdom
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And so he let the weeds and the wheat grow together until it was time where it had to be removed
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But the real point of it and and I mean the real point of all of that
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is that I can see that that is what God is trying to do now to break us of this judgmentalism to break us from the traditions of men to break us from the old wine skins so that we can actually harvest
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Like we saw the woman at the well and we saw Jesus when he started talking about this 11 That’s what stops it from happening That’s the transition from the Old Wink to the new that Chuck Smith had to go through And I’ve got this picture in my soul for a revisited Antioch church
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And what I mean by that is Lonnie was really only an apostle to the hippies
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and really the Antioch Church crossed all generations all ethnicities and all social statuses
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And there are people that are that have anointing to reach the up and outs the down and outs every generation every ethnicity
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And if God could bring in and we could allow them to minister people that have callings to bring in all kinds of different types of people into this church And we would not we would be able to see this is God at work It could actually be more than just reaching the LGBT Q or this or that particular Instead our vision is to reach this particular type of person This is what we’re gift and called at This is what we’re focused at I want an Antioch church
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bring in the ministers that have callings and anointing to reach suburbia to reach the
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meth heads to reach the LGBT Q to reach the you know
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yeah everything
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and let them come into a house and only experience love
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because the cross has knit us all together in one
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That’s a powerful powerful possibility isn’t it
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But it’s not beyond the realm of ask and you shall receive
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seek and you will find
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knock on the door will be opened
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powerful potential
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developing new wine skins
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It really is about the Ministry of Grace
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John 1 16 to 18
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end of his fullness
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we have all received
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and grace for grace
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we have received grace Grace is power
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Grace is transformative for the law was given through Moses
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but grace and truth came through Jesus Christ
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That word truth Elia means reality
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but grace and the reality of who God is of his kingdom of his presence The law brought a shadow
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but light has dawned reality has come
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grace and truth through Jesus Christ No one has seen God at any time
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The only begotten son who was in the bosom of the Father has declared declared him or made him known
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We have received the ministry of grace
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bringing the reality and substance of the kingdom
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Opening up that great harvest The harvest is white
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This ministry opens up that harvest This ministry opens prison doors sets at liberty The captives reconciles a world to Jesus Christ to the Father
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I mean it’s wild isn’t it But it’s real
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It’s this that we need to keep exploring more and more Second Corinthians 34 through six
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and we have such trust through Christ toward God
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Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think of anything as being from ourselves
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because that’s the old cove That’s just the 11 of fair season season I’m the greatest Christian and I save many I’m going out to get people saved today
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Well you get to me and I will I’ll clean you up and I’ll sort you out
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He’s the savior He’s the sancti fier If God uses me all I got all I can do is say God thank you that I got to witness your love for somebody today
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He says not that we think of ourselves as being sufficient Our sufficiency comes from God We’re recognizing God It’s only you that are doing this
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but you have made us sufficient but you have made us sufficient
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as ministers
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of the new covenant
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not of the letter
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the old wine skin
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but of the spirit
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for the letter kills
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But the spirit gives life
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new wine skins for new wine
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that bring life
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as we forsake the 11 of the Pharisees and the sauces we’re delivered from it as we’re saved from it
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Learning to recognize or to discern good and evil life and death authentic and inauthentic
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First of all beware of the 11 of Pharisees we want the multitudes in
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the Ministry of Grace the Ministry of the Spirit
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we’ll do it
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History proves it
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that Jesus revolution proves it
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whenever the Ministry of Grace is in operation
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rivers of living water begin to flow
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And I believe that’s what God wants to do
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Amen
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